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  • frau und frau flirten 03-03-2011, 01:24 PM

    DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    On almost a weekly basis someone will come along and inquire about dating bottles, with many of the inquiries specifically related to Owens-Illinois bottles, and especially acls. And althought this plano vertical single scoped rifle hard case subject has been discussed many times in numerous threads, I thought this would be a good time and place to share where I personally obtained most of my information regarding this. The link below will take you to a website that should answer most, if not all of your Owens-Illinois dating questions. And please be sure to save the link in your favorites file for future reference. It is one of the most informative sites I know of on the subject. I have communicated with the article's author, Bill Lockhart, on numerous ocassions and rate him as one of the most advanced researchers in his field.

    möchte mal wieder single sein /> And yet, even with this said, the site does not answer "everything" related to Owens-Illinois bottles, which leaves me doing additional research of my own in an attempt to find the answers. For example; I have often wondered...

    1. "Why" were the majority of acl soda bottles made by Owens-Illinois? Is the answer...

    A. Because there were more Owens-Illinois glass plants than any other?
    B. Because Owens-Illinois aggressively pursued that market?
    C. Because Owens-Illinois was the first and most advanced to adopt the acl process?
    D. Or some other reason?

    2. "Why" do Owens-Illinois date codes all of a sudden start to appear on a regular basis on acl
    soda bottles at just about the same time as the acl process was first introduced around 1934?

    A. Coincidence?
    B. Some other reason?

    So there are still a few unanswered questions as you can see. But for the most part the following site should answer most of your basic questions, and hopefully provide you with a more comprehensive understanding of dating Owens-Illinois bottles in general.

    I hope you find this information helpful. And I am sure you will, especially if you enjoy reading the more empirical discourses as I do.

    Lesson Number One: What the heck does "Empirical" mean? Lol [:D]

    SODAPOPBOB

    Safe Link To Owens-Illinois History/Dating Information by Bill Lockhart :


  • 03-03-2011, 01:45 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Answer to one of the questions above...


    em·pir·i·cal 

    –adjective [/align] [/align]1. Derived from or guided by experience or experiment.[/align] [/align]2. Depending upon experience or observation alone.[/align] [/align]3. Provable or verifiable by experience or experiment. [/align][/align]


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  • 03-03-2011, 02:39 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Here is an additional question I forgot to list and have often wondered about...

    3. "Why" do so many of the earlier (1900 to 1933) embossed and deco-style soda bottles not have
    specific dating codes on them? (Some do but not the majority). Is the answer...

    A. Because no one thought about it?
    B. Because there was no need for it?
    C. Because it was not required?
    D. Or some other reason?

    By the way... Bill Lockhart is not only an advanced researcher, he is also a bonafide "Archaeologist."

    SPBOB


  • 03-03-2011, 02:48 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    And here is an example of what is referred to in Bill's article as a "Owens Scar."

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  • 03-03-2011, 03:31 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Here is an example of a Owens-Illinois amber 7up acl bottle. Note the absence of a dot after the 5 which tells us it is a 1935 bottle.

    21 <(I)> 5

    However, I have to call into question the 21 which indicates the bottle was made in Portland, Oregon. But all of the list I have seen indicate that the Portland, Oregon Owens-Illinois glass plant did not begin operation until 1960. I do not mention this to challenge anyone, nor to shed the least bit of doubt on Bill Lockhart's extensive research, but rather as another example of a long list of as yet unanswered questions. The only thing I can think of is that the 21 is a transfer number from a glass plant that closed prior to 1960, and that it was somehow overlooked by the individuals who compiled the various Owens-Illinois list. I will be sure to ask Bill Lockhart about this the next time I e-mail him.

    SPBOB

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  • 03-03-2011, 03:37 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    The list below is from my acl book. Note the 21 for Portland, Oregon, with indicates a start-up date of approximately 1960. If you go back to Bill Lockhart's site you will see a similar list... which was orginally composed by and is from Julian Toulouse's 1971 book.

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  • 03-03-2011, 03:54 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    I've come across a lot of bottles, and unfortunately most of them have been newer bottles. Most of these were made by Owens-Illinois.

    Based on the current research (at least that I've seen), it is INCREDIBLY difficult to come up with a precise date for an Owens-Illinois bottle, at least those without the two-digit date codes.

    I've come across bottles with an undotted 1 to the right of the logo. This would at first indicate that the bottle was from 1931. However, they also have the "Duraglas" logo on the side, indicating them being from after 1940. 1941 seems to be the most likely date then. So, when did Owens-Illinois realize their date code system was flawed? It certainly took place after 1941. I believe it was even later, as the same situation occurred with a bottle from 1943.


  • 03-03-2011, 04:07 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Wheelah23 ~

    Did you read Bill Lockhart's entire article? It answers your question(s) to some extent. But I hear ya and agree there is some confusion regarding all of this stuff. But if they can put a man on the moon I'm sure we will have it all figured out one of these days. Oh, wait!... Did they actually put a man on the moon or was it...??? Lol [:D]

    Thanks for stopping by.

    SPBOB


  • 03-03-2011, 04:56 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Just for the record, I have an original (1972 Second Printing) of Julian Toulouse's book, "Bottle Makers And Their Marks," and show it here to illustrate where most researchers came up with the Owens-Illinois plant numbers and dates that are so often quoted. And even though it is almost identical to the one I posted earlier, this one is the real deal, but with a few subtle differences.

    SPBOB

    By the way... Toulouse's 1971 "First Edition" typically sells (with dust-jacket) for about $100.00-plus. I purchased my 1972 second printing for $40.00. It has an amazing amount of information that I would be happy to share with anyone who has a specific question they cannot find elsewhere. [:)]

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  • 03-03-2011, 05:10 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    I'll do you one better: I took the book out through the local library, then I used my printer's scanner feature to scan every page of the book. Took möchte mal wieder single sein a few hours, but it was worth it. Now I have a picture of each page of the book stored on my computer. This book is a lifesaver. It's pretty convenient too, AND I got the digital copy for free!

    Just don't tell the book police... They probably wouldn't like to hear about this.


  • 03-03-2011, 01:24 PM

    DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    On almost a weekly basis someone will come along and inquire about dating bottles, with many of the inquiries specifically related to Owens-Illinois bottles, and especially acls. And althought this subject has been discussed many times in numerous threads, I thought this would be a good time and place to share where I personally obtained most of my information regarding this. The link below will take you to a website that should answer most, if not all of your Owens-Illinois dating questions. And please be sure to save the link in your favorites file for future reference. It is one of the most informative sites I know of on the subject. I have communicated with the article's author, Bill Lockhart, on numerous ocassions and rate him as one of the most advanced researchers in his field.

    And yet, even with this said, the site does not answer "everything" related to Owens-Illinois bottles, which leaves me doing additional research of my own in an attempt to find the answers. For example; I have often wondered...

    1. "Why" were the majority of acl soda bottles made by Owens-Illinois? Is the answer...

    A. Because there were more Owens-Illinois glass plants than any other?
    B. Because Owens-Illinois aggressively pursued that market?
    C. Because Owens-Illinois was the first and most advanced to adopt the acl process?
    D. Or some other reason?

    2. "Why" do Owens-Illinois date codes all of a sudden start to appear on a regular basis on acl
    soda bottles at just about the same time as the acl process was first introduced around 1934?

    A. Coincidence?
    B. Some other reason?

    So there are still a few unanswered questions as you can see. But for the most part the following site should answer most of your basic questions, and hopefully provide you with a more comprehensive understanding of dating Owens-Illinois bottles in general.

    I hope you find this information helpful. And I am sure you will, especially if you enjoy reading the more empirical discourses as I do.

    Lesson Number One: What the heck does "Empirical" mean? Lol [:D]

    SODAPOPBOB

    Safe Link To Owens-Illinois History/Dating Information by Bill Lockhart :

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails  

  • 03-03-2011, 01:45 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Answer to one of the questions above...


    em·pir·i·cal 

    –adjective [/align] [/align]1. Derived from or guided by experience or experiment.[/align] [/align]2. Depending upon experience or observation alone.[/align] [/align]3. Provable or verifiable by experience or experiment. [/align][/align]


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  • 03-03-2011, 02:39 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Here is an additional question I forgot to list and have often wondered about...

    3. "Why" do so many of the earlier (1900 to 1933) embossed and deco-style soda bottles not have
    specific dating codes on them? (Some do but not the majority). Is the answer...

    A. Because no one thought about it?
    B. Because there was no need for it?
    C. Because it was not required?
    D. Or some other reason?

    By the way... Bill Lockhart is not only an advanced researcher, he is also a bonafide "Archaeologist."

    SPBOB


  • 03-03-2011, 02:48 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    And here is an example of what is referred to in Bill's article as a "Owens Scar."

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails  

  • 03-03-2011, 03:31 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Here is an example of a Owens-Illinois amber 7up acl bottle. Note the absence of a dot after the 5 which tells us it is a 1935 bottle.

    21 <(I)> 5

    However, I have to call into question the 21 which indicates the bottle was made in Portland, Oregon. But all of the list I have seen indicate that the Portland, Oregon Owens-Illinois glass plant did not begin operation until 1960. I do not mention this to challenge anyone, nor to shed the least bit of doubt on Bill Lockhart's extensive research, but rather as another example of a long list of as yet unanswered questions. The only thing I can think of is that the 21 is a transfer number from a glass plant that closed prior to 1960, and that it was somehow overlooked by the individuals who compiled the various Owens-Illinois list. I will be sure to ask Bill Lockhart about this the next time I e-mail him.

    SPBOB

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails  

  • 03-03-2011, 03:37 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    The list below is from my acl book. Note the 21 for Portland, Oregon, with indicates a start-up date of approximately 1960. If you go back to Bill Lockhart's site you will see a similar list... which was orginally composed by and is from Julian Toulouse's 1971 book.

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails  

  • 03-03-2011, 03:54 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    I've come across a lot of bottles, and unfortunately most of them have been newer bottles. Most of these were made by Owens-Illinois.

    Based on the current research (at least that I've seen), it is INCREDIBLY difficult to come up with a precise date for an Owens-Illinois bottle, at least those without the two-digit date codes.

    I've come across bottles with an undotted 1 to the right of the logo. This would at first indicate that the bottle was from 1931. However, they also have the "Duraglas" logo on the side, indicating them being from after 1940. 1941 seems to be the most likely date then. So, when did Owens-Illinois realize their date code system was flawed? It certainly took place after 1941. I believe it was even later, as the same situation occurred with a bottle from 1943.


  • 03-03-2011, 04:07 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Wheelah23 ~

    Did you read Bill Lockhart's entire article? It answers your question(s) to some extent. But I hear ya and agree there is some confusion regarding all of this stuff. But if they can put a man on the moon I'm sure we will have it all figured out one of these days. Oh, wait!... Did they actually put a man on the moon or was it...??? Lol [:D]

    Thanks for stopping by.

    SPBOB


  • 03-03-2011, 04:56 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    Just for the record, I have an original (1972 Second Printing) of Julian Toulouse's book, "Bottle Makers And Their Marks," and show it here to illustrate where most researchers came up with the Owens-Illinois plant numbers and dates that are so often quoted. And even though it is almost identical to the one I posted earlier, this one is the real deal, but with a few subtle differences.

    SPBOB

    By the way... Toulouse's 1971 "First Edition" typically sells (with dust-jacket) for about $100.00-plus. I purchased my 1972 second printing for $40.00. It has an amazing amount of information that I would be happy to share with anyone who has a specific question they cannot find elsewhere. [:)]

    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails  

  • 03-03-2011, 05:10 PM

    RE: DATING OWENS-ILLINOIS BOTTLES

    I'll do you one better: I took the book out through the local library, then I used my printer's scanner feature to scan every page of the book. Took a few hours, but it was worth it. Now I have a picture of each page of the book stored on my computer. This book is a lifesaver. It's pretty convenient too, AND I got the digital copy for free!

    Just don't tell the book police... They probably wouldn't like to hear about this.



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It is one of the most informative sites I know of on the subject. And yet, even with this said, the site dating owens illinois bottles not answer "everything" related Owens-Illinois bottles, which leaves me doing additional research of own in an attempt to find the answers.

For example; I have often wondered Because there were more Owens-Illinois glass plants than any other? Because Owens-Illinois aggressively pursued that market? Because Owens-Illinois was the first and most advanced to adopt the acl process? Or some other reason? So are still a few unanswered questions as you can see. But for the most part the following site should answer most of your basic questions, and hopefully provide you with a more comprehensive understanding of dating Owens-Illinois bottles in general.

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Owens-Illinois Glass Company was the result of the merger between two glass-making giants of the industry: Base codes on Owens-Illinois amber glass handled jug, or date code, made at factory B was jug style number.

Pic courtesy of Crystal Arant. See list of 19 currently operating glass container plants in North America, farther down on this page. Most of the pics show the first and most widely recognized mark used beginning in As pictured, it can vary slightly from one container to another.

Latest confirmed date code with this older trademark known on a bottle is On the typical bottle, there is usually a number to the left dating owens illinois bottles, to the right of, and below, the trademark. Several of the plant numbers used by O-I have been re-used by other plants opened in later yearsso it is important to take into consideration the date code, the bottle style and other characteristics to positively identify plant location made a particular bottle.

Most bottles from the late s into the s and s have two-digit date codes. For more info, check out the extensive article by Bill Lockhart and Russ Hoenig; link farther down on this page. The second mark was phased in during the s with the removal of the diamond. Some bottle molds already in use were not until as late as,even, as mentioned, in Also, there are several posts scattered through the comments farther down on this page where we have discussed this question.

Photo of Taylor McBurney. Thanks to Ken Rudd for submitting this photo. Hemingray was a prolific maker of electrical insulators of many types and sizes for power lines, telegraph, telephone and other uses.

Within a year or two, most glass insulators produced at Muncie were carrying date codes. See my webpage on Hemingray Glass Company for more information on Hemingray insulators.

Known as Owens-Illinois, Inc. They are located in: Montreal, Quebec and Brampton, Ontario. To return to the main Glass Bottle Marks page, please click here. Please click here to go to my Home Page. Hope this helps, David.

I have found möchte mal wieder single sein an old Owens Bottle Co. Does anyone have information on this book? I found an amber jar with the I in an O no diamond from plant 14, but the date code is just a 0 no period. Vicki, single digit date codes were still used in the s and afterward. Not nearly as often as double-digit date codes, but they were used occasionally, especially on smaller containers.

I would guess your jar was made in either or Since there dating owens illinois bottles no period behind the 0 I assumed it was the s but it also has raised letting on the foot of the bottle saying Duraglas. So would this have been made in the s at the Bridgeton, NJ plant? I dating owens illinois bottles it would be fromalthough it might stand for I do NOT subscribe to the theory that ALL date codes without a dot to the right of the number necessarily means it is from the s, and all date codes WITH dots are from the s or later, but dating owens illinois bottles seems to be true in quite a few cases.

How long did owen illinois use the I inside an O mark. I have a bottle with the I inside an O mark with a date code of If anyone who lands on this site has better information on the changeover, please contact me and I will update the page.

Hi David, First, Thank you so much for establishing this I have gathered so much information already. I feel I have started a hobby that my Father also shares a passion for, collecting glass bottles. Not exactly sure what It should be labeled as. It is clear in color and has a metal screw on type lid along with a wooden rotating handle fitted to a metal bracket attached along the base of the neck. The bottom of the jug is not smooth, has a very textured finish.

I have a 7 on the left, a 7 on the right, and a 1 below with no numbers above. The bottom of the base has a large below the other numbers. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you again for the great website. I would suggest you search Google Images with those keywords and dating owens illinois bottles if a similar container shows up in the results.

I found an old looking bottle under my house when I was digging a fire pit. It has an odd texture and 2 vertical seems running up the sides. I cleaned it off and able to make out the diamond with an I and O in dating owens illinois bottles. I found the bottom of a jar washed up on the shore of lake Michigan.

The logo is the I in an oval and a diamond. Left is 7, right is 5, bottom dating owens illinois bottles 5. Dating owens illinois bottles just curious which year the 5 stands for. Sarah, it could stand for, or It has a finger loop at the neck and the Owens Illinois diamond on the bottom.

It has a 1 over a on the bottom as well as on the bottom with considerable wrinkles in the glass from manufacturing of the jug possibly straw marks as I am not sure. My question is dating owens illinois bottles was this jug used for? Was it a fuel jug or could it have been sold as a multi-purpose container for other Mike, yes, it is a multi-purpose container.

Those jugs were used for various liquids, such as dating owens illinois bottles, soda syrup, apple cider, etc. There is no way to be sure what was in it unless there is an intact label. Mike this is so cool… believe it or not today I purchased at a garage sale the same exact jug with the same markings on the bottom except mine has!

I was going to ask the same questions you did so thanks for doing all the work for me! I found several bottles. The first one has a 7 than the circle with the I in it and then a 9 dating owens illinois bottles in one row.

Below that is a single 9. Below that is the word duraglas. And below that is E — Can you help me identify it? I found a clear jar. It has the logo I inside o dating owens illinois bottles diamond to the left is a 4, to the right is a 6, underneath is an I or a 1.

And it has 7 rings around it. It says duraglas on 2 sides… with a c Can you tell me what year it made? Thank you in advance. It has the number 7 to the left of the symbol, 6 to the right, and a 3 below it. It also has an X in the middle of the jug.

I was hoping you could give me some information and history about this jug. Or it might have been used for edible products such as Cola syrup, vinegar or apple cider. I was able to identify my bottle with ease. You have put a lot of work into it and I appreciate it. Look forward to using your site again as I find more cool bottles. Anyone ever see an IP for factory code? Eric, there dating owens illinois bottles examples out there that seem to make no sense, according to what information is known on the factory location and date codes.

However, I would submit my guess that in some of these instances, the bottle mold might have been moved to another plant but the engravings were not all updated retooled correctly on the molds.

They have a circle inside a square on bottom. I also found 4 simalar bottles one in which is 2. The last do not have the green tint or bubbles in the glass but the shape seems to be almost indentical.

See my page on that mark. They are probably medicine bottles of some sort. I have found something that looks like a rare bottle that Edwin W Fluerst patented with I believe that means it is an Owens bottle. The sides of the bottle has sort of dating owens illinois bottles decorative look. Like I said looks dating owens illinois bottles the patented bottle but then it has the additions to it.

Can you give me any information about it?


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